Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. There was a period of time, Ill call, The Great Loneliness after that Chicago Tribune article came out, where they were radioactive. If youre looking for a car I encourage you to visit my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. Thank God I have Jesus. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. When you have a woman who says I was molested by a staff member, or you have a staff member who says, Bill Hybels just threw a punch at me, or dog cuts me up and down the hallway, those arent matters of policy, Julie. And if you dont have a character to lead, no manual is going to help you. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. Theyve got a little bit of the guide part. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. What I need most is what I dont have. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. At the urging of a friend working in the radio industry, the Briscoes followed God's leading and used the tape sales proceeds to purchase local radio time, which launched Telling the Truth's radio outreach. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? Think about the people whove done it historically, you know, the Chuck Swindolls that I mean, we can we can run off a list of names, we can also run off a list of failures. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. And I was sitting in my office one day and Vonda picked up the phone and gave me a call and kind of told me what was coming down the pike in terms of the Chicago Tribune article that basically lit the fuse on that entire situation at Willow. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. Yeah, totally agree. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Nobody who is an elder at a church should have any aspect of their identity wrapped up in either the role of being an elder or in the success or failure of the organization. It is simply to feed ourselves. And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. But it was after a period of I dont know the details, and I dont know how much youre at liberty to say them, but its my understanding he went away for a period of time to kind of reflect and assess how he was doing and how he was handling things. Heres to better days and better church health. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray In fact, back in the late 80s, early 90s, we went to Willow Creek and we had a wonderful experience. Absolutely. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. Briscoe We bought the routine and its shocking. I And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. That to me, is a corruption of the role. Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. Oh Well, and I appreciate your service to the church. Yes, I totally agree. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. But other than that, you know, there just werent a lot of people in the larger church speaking and there had to have been a lot of church leaders who knew about what was going on and knew that there were problems with Bill Hybels. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. So thank you. Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. I wasnt throughout the representation. You have to have a strong culture of accountability. But I had limited contact with him. I hope you have a great day and God bless. Let me give you some examples. I did live it. Its one of the beauties and the deformities of social media is social media is agile. Because we represent their interests. And these men are good actors. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. My husband and I actually bought our last car from our court and we had a great experience. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. Briscoe But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. And that that was something that taught you an awful lot about how elder board should deal with sexual impropriety or sexual abuse within their own walls. Jill I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. I came out of Wheaton College, as I know a lot of kids do when youre in a Christian environment and maybe see some disillusioning things and I just, it was really a hard spiritual time for me. God uses the weak things of this world to confound the strong, right? Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. I attended Willow for seven years. And I thought, I think I knew what he was doing when he named it that, but heres why I think its so ironic. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. None at all. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. And theres a lot of people asking, Is that just too great a burden to ever put on one person? How do you respond to that? It is what manifests. It was stunning to me. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. And really, I came back to the Lord at Willow and He used that church to help me reestablish my relationship with Him and with His church. Okay. Youre absolutely right. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. I Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Pete was preaching from Hebrews, and he was making the New Covenant come alive before all of us. I was blown away. I havent seen a lot of true owning, true repenting, true confessing. He gave me a few new friends here and there, people to pray with, to share with, to be coworkers in some small ministry, etc. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, Also, Id encourage you to read the website below. So many people are looking the other way. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. :), I would strongly urge you to research Voice of the Martyrs. We are egalitarian and sophisticated, and we are Gods chosen church to show how ministry is supposed to be done. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. (etc. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. That night we had a guest speaker come in for a special presentation. I had no idea what to expect as this lone man stood on the stage. There are therapy notes to support her story. Is that correct? Julie, you may want to review this pointwasnt a problem? WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. I think these women would still like to know the answer to that. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. But you have seen the the worst of it. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. You know, Willow creeks pastors family members benefit from the Penumbra of Willow Creek and its just sheer size within evangelicalism. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. Why didnt others support them? It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. And it had all of these allies not just in the media, but among the angelical industrial complex, other megachurch pastors, everything. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. But we dont have time on this podcast. So to some extent, we all have a measure of hypocrisy. Thats a bad default state. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. I was blown away. Telling the Truthis the international on-air and online media ministry that distributes the teaching content of uniquely-gifted Bible teachersStuart and Jill Briscoeto help people know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. Great question. At the same time, hes writing a book and writing articles for Christianity Today about marriage purity. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. Manipulative theatrics. So I was really struggling with my faith. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. And I remember you saying once that you had gotten a manual, I think it was from the ECFA, and boy, we could talk about them. Hes one of the good guys. And he offers keen insights that are desperately needed as many churches today struggle to be healthy and to avoid the mistakes other megachurches have made. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. But if you have a pastor with a glaring character flaw youre fooling yourself if you think youre gonna keep that character flaw in line with a pastor who doesnt put Jesus Christ first in his life, am I right? The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. So when you have a culture thats willing to, you know, exfoliate spoiliate, destroy documents in order to preserve a narrative, theres really very little that the culture will not accomplish at the cost of innocent people. Julie, it is great to be with you again. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? David Jankowski. And a lot of us who sat in the congregation and received from them were, you know, duped and we bought it. Im Julie Roys. Yeah. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Is that right? I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. I was just following following lawyers advice. So its okay. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Or what is the church think about Calvinism? something along those lines. And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. Likewise. And youre in the process right now of looking for a senior pastor. The church is literally a collection of people. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Why did so many look the other way for so long? And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? The church said in essence, Tsk, tsk. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. This is what manifests. If you have six members of the Board of eight, lets just say its eight or 10. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? So a young person in our high school ministry. So Im very much looking forward to our time together today. And he realized that he had missed an opportunity to share Christs love with this person, and he didnt even feel worthy to give this message tonight, you know, and he got teared up and, and Im watching this, you know, as a 20, early 20 something right? You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. Yeah. I dont think that theres anything at a mega church that innoculates it from being good. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. Your browser does not support JavaScript. And theres an element to which a church like Willow Creek was a global church, right? But they spoke. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. The other woman that Mitch represented will remain confidential but both these cases enabled Mitch to peek behind the curtain at Willow Creek and view upclose some of the dysfunctions that led to that scandal. I think they can do it effectively. 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